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June
12, 2021
From a Boy
from Columbia Writing in Spanish
We
are publishing the following letter
without translation. This can be done
fairly accurately with translation
apps on the Internet. Human beings can
do it better, but we need more people
carrying the load. If anyone coming to
this site who is fluent in both
Spanish and English, we could use some
of our more important documents being
translated into Spanish. The following
letter is quite touching and
apparently genuine. Though he has not
asked, we leave out his name for his
privacy.
Holi, okay pues como te
dije yo conocí a mi novio cuando tenía
11 , y el tenía 60, el era muy bueno
conmigo y siempre me quiso mucho, yo fui
el que decidió empezar todo y el no me
apresuró a nada , recuerdo que en varias
ocasiones el me llevaba a mi
escuela y se comportaba muy bien
conmigo lo ame por qué el se parecía
mucho a mi papi,
el fue muy cariñoso
conmigo y siempre me amo recuerdo que
cuando nosotros empezamos a jugar
desnudos el me preguntaba primero si
quería y siempre le decía que si por
qué a mí me gustaba, fue el primer
hombre que vi desnudo y lo ame
demasiado siempre solíamos jugar
cuando nadie nos miraba y me divertía
mucho con el y sus amigos, el me
enseño muchas cosas , estoy muy
agradecido con el, es la única persona
que he amado en mi vida y fue muy
importante para mí. Sin el no se que
sería de mi vida ahora mismo, ahora
cumplí 14 años hace 4 días , y vivo en
colombia. el se tuvo que ir de aquí
por asuntos de su trabajo pero nunca
lo voy a olvidar ❤️
esa es mi historia
resumida
si quieren podrían subir
mi historia a su página o tal ves si
quieren me podrían decir que más tengo
que hacer , haré enserio cualquier
cosa que me pidan pero porfavor quiero
que el mundo escuché mi Historia :(
* * *
Dear NAMbLA
I'd like to say
thank you for everything your
organization does. There are
many organizations that claim
to listen to the youth, when
In reality they treat them
like rubbish. NAMbLA is one of
the rare gems that treats us,
the youth as valid intelligent
people and listens to what we
have to say. I can only hope
one day the youth and all
people are given true sexual
liberty! Thank you all for
what you do
- Alex
May
4, 2021
A Valuable Exchange
We reprint the following email
exchanges with Canadian journalist Laura
Palmer because we feel it may be a
valuable lesson for not only those who
support our efforts but also for those
who may have a misapprehension of what
we are about. Our initial angry reaction
was due to our collective memory of
having had all sorts of nefarious
innuendos and accusations thrown at us.
Greetings from Vancouver Island
I'm a journalist here in Canada, beginning
work on a project with the family of a
young boy who was abducted many years
ago.
I interviewed one of your members decades
ago on a different topic. And wondered if
there might be someone available to speak
with me.
I appreciate that your organization would
not condone an abduction. And yet you
might have a perspective worth hearing and
potentially know of people who could hold
information.
The case happened 30 years ago in
Victoria, so most valuable would be to
hear from members who are in that 50 +age
range and Vancouver Island geographic
area.
Many thanks in advance for your
consideration,
lp
*
* *
Ms. Palmer,
Notwithstanding your apparent recognizing
that our organization would never condone
the unspeakable act you are investigating,
your asking us for a perspective speaks
against that very denial and is extremely
insulting.
One “perspective” that we can give you is
that the overwhelming number of abductions
of young children are done by family
members fighting over custody. Stranger
abductions are vanishingly small and can
be enumerated on the fingers of one hand,
corresponding nearly one on one to the
laws named after the abductees. Go ask the
families responsible for the laws they
promoted if they are aware that in their
grief they have perpetuated and multiplied
even greater grief with these stupid and
counterproductive laws.
Another perspective we can give you is
that we wish you to never contact us
again. The mindset you present is
abhorrent and epitomizes the ignorance and
stupidity in society. This may not be your
intention, but in the kind of journalism
you seem to be pursuing you are spewing
even more poison into today’s zeitgeist.
* * *
Oh gosh. I didn't mean to offend.
And clearly, I failed to communicate what
I was I was hoping you could offer.
That said, I hope you won't hold me my
inability to articulate the request,
against me.
Your observation on stranger
abductions is spot on. This case is a rare
one indeed.
My journalism is fair and
empathetic, I don't think I've ever been
accused of spewing poison.
Should you have a change of heart and want
to have an off the record conversation,
please let me know.
Otherwise, I will honour your
request and not contact you again.
lp
* * *
Dear Ms. Palmer,
The anger was not so much towards you
personally but more towards a mindset that
has been too easily accepted without
challenge. Many otherwise well meaning
people buy into received “wisdom” failing
to exercise greater examination.
Perhaps the following suggestions may help.
For all anyone knows, the disappearance
you are investigating may very well have
been perpetrated by an emotionally
unbalanced woman needing a child to
nurture and to provide for her (the
abductor) some sort of emotional balance.
This also thankfully happens rarely but is
a possibility that one does not have to
have any expertise to suggest. Any
thinking individual with a mind not locked
into a perceptive cage could have
suggested this to you. We certainly do not
have any special perspective in this area.
Please do not take affront assuming that
we are accusing you of not thinking. You
are to be commended for looking for ideas
that are not always in front of us. Our
expectation is that you also look “outside
the box.”
In a way, even women not especially
unbalanced have stolen children. This
happened in Argentina when many couples
accepted children of people disappeared
during the former dictatorship. These
people, women abetted by their husbands
and related to Argentine higher-ups, knew
damned well what they were doing. If you
want to get into the minds of kidnappers
of children for emotional balance, there
must certainly exist literature covering
the syndrome.
(We reserve the right to reprint our
exchanges in our letters section in hopes
of educating readers to avoid making
unexamined assumptions.)
* * *
Thank you for this. I don't have tunnel
vision at all on my approach.
The child could well have been abducted by
a woman or a couple for a number of
different reasons.
I've just found in the past that being
open and creative, casting a wide net and
consulting with people authorities may not
have considered can be helpful.
I've read the article entitled,
'Soft Science, Hard Time,' about ten
times now and find it to be a game
changer for me. I can relate to every
word. Eric Tazelaar's writing style is
about where I'm at as a reader and what
I aspire to become as a writer. I'm
captivated by this subject because it
applies to me so profoundly. For me,
like so many others who love children,
life has been an ongoing atrocity for
decades now.
Admittedly, I came to your
website with some bias of my own. You
and others who write about the subject
think at the highest levels in line with
what I've seen in other fields of study.
As Einstein put it, you belong to a
broad, but tiny band of people worldwide
he called truth tellers. For decades, I
have found myself isolated and
completely alone. I was not expecting
the authority with which you and others
write about the subject. It's wonderful
to know I'm not alone.
For
clarification, my name is not Jackson. This is
some random account I made under a random name.
I want to stay anonymous here as the last thing
I need are feds after me. I'm terrified I'm
being watched as I type this. And though I know
Your organization is mainly for same sex
couples, I consider this the only place to tell
the world how people like me truly feel
I'm 14 and I live in North
America. I've never enjoyed the presence of
people my age. Even as a Heterosexual, I never
cared for females my age. I was always
interested in older women. I could never care
for what people my age would talk about, I was
more interested in things like politics and
books. It's always a joy when I'm able to be
around older people, I love to have long
discussions with them, and I'm glad I'm never
seen as a kid by them, they make me feel
welcome.
And yet despite this all, the
regime I live under tells me I'm unable to
express my love for older people. I'm told
that somehow, I'm unable to do something on my
own terms. It's painful. It's the worst pain
of all to not be able to be with someone you
love. The real rapists are not adults who only
wish to love and nurture young people.
They are the suits and ties who
make laws and systems that are deliberately
made to break down the strongest human
emotion; Love
My own spirit, soul and mind is
being raped by a government shaped by years of
tyrannical policies.
I hope one day, when things
might change that our stories are heard. I
want succeeding generations to see how
backwards and criminal this world was.
One day.
Our response:
Hi Jackson,
You do write on a level that even many adults
seldom reach. Then, the nineteenth century
French teenage poet Arthur Rimbau wrote
sophisticated poetry the equal or superior to
that of his contemporaries. Society tends to
treat the young as it used to treat (and still
does) women and people of different races. So
we understand quite well your frustration.
Most will not admit anything outside the
acceptable that will make them be judged
negatively. A colleague did admit once that as
a first grader he was sexually attracted to
his teacher. Such feelings at so young an age
are probably not uncommon but not to the point
of daring letting others know.
Our attention is on same sex because of the
orientation of our founders but also because
going too far afield dilutes our efforts. That
said, we are supportive of all consensual
relationships that are defined by the quality
of the relationships and not by arbitrary
ages.
The media do not dare going too far in
depicting intergenerational relationships. But
the 1971 movie Harold and Maude may be
worth your looking up. If you have not already
done so, do check our article on Mary Kay
Letourneau (fifth down on the home page of our
current articles) to see that our sympathies
are quite open to the experiences of others.
Greetings! I'm not entirely sure
how to say what I feel the need to say, but
I'm looking for information about the
organization despite not being very interested
in it's primary purpose. That being said it
was because of this organization and groups
like it that I was able to come to terms with
things that occurred to me at a young age and
propelled me into finally accepting myself for
who I am. Although what occurred to me wasn't
exactly what I'd call proper I'll admit always
liking it when it occurred and even got to a
point in which I'd ask for it to happen. For
years I tried denying all of it especially the
fact I enjoyed it and found myself in
relationships and even a marriage that was
nothing but a sham. I served in the military
during don't ask, don't tell and was forced to
hide even more than I already was despite
continuing to engage in the very activities
that policy forbid. A few years ago I decided
to come out and admit that I'm not straight
and since then things have gotten so much
better and I actually feel like myself once
again which is something I hadn't felt since I
was young and first began experiencing with a
much older man and continued to in secret for
several years. I personally have no interest
or attraction towards those younger than
myself, but still actively seek out men much
older than myself for what feels right and
normal to me despite practically no one
understanding how I could possibly feel that
way given my age when it began compared to
his. I rarely disclose that information to
anyone simply because they don't or won't
understand, but I know had it not occurred I'd
probably still be questioning myself. I guess
the best way for me to describe my interest is
from the standpoint of a silent supporter who
wouldn't mind the possibility of chatting and
getting to know those who are NAMBLA members.
As odd as it may sound to most people I have
absolutely no regret when it comes to the
things I first experienced as a young boy and
I love the man who first introduced me to all
that I eventually experienced.
Our response:
Dear
Anonymous,
Thank you for sharing a truth we have always
known. At an earlier time when the feelings
you experienced when you were younger could
still be uttered, NAMBLA published a book
titled "Boys Speak Out on Man/Boy Love." In
it, boys tell the truth about the positive
emotional connections they had with older men.
You are to be commended on eventually coming
to the realization that your early experiences
were something to be cherished. Unfortunately,
many others fall under the negative spell of
the media. Believing the false narrative put
out by both news and entertainment media, they
then mistakenly associate totally unrelated
negative parts of their later lives to those
early experiences they quite enjoyed and
profited from.
Love does not have to be symmetrical, and just
because you were loved as a younger person
does not require you, as an adult, to
replicate that love with a younger person.
[We suggested to our
correspondent to post anonymously on boychat
(https://boychat.org/). Others may wish to
also do so.]
First of all I am very happy to hear from you
again and to keep in touch with your
newsletter. I found this review [see
newsletter Vol. 1 No. 4] very interesting, in
which you talk about the power of autonomy of
young people, young boys and young people in
general, from my point of view and in my
opinion it is a very important topic, because
it is directly connected with the subversion
of the established social morality. Young
people and their emancipation from the adult
world is something that needs to be
reconsidered, because they do have the power
and the capacity to decide on certain issues
in their lives, especially if they have an
organisation and consensus, let's say an
assembly.
Nowadays this concept and this education or
pedagogy has been lost, because this system
has made the kids, the youngsters, even more
childish and infantilised, turning a
fundamental part of an active society made up
of potential free thinkers into a sector of
the population without a voice and without
decisions. A dependent and dumb sector has
been created.
I think that young boys should revolutionise
themselves as we have seen on many occasions
and be able to vote on issues of free and
consensual relationships and have their say.
Obviously this cannot happen in a society that
does not rule by its education and pedagogy,
let alone by the will of the free-thinking and
revolutionary individual. This is another one
of the blatant failures of this decrepit
Morla. Thank you very much for sending these
emails, I am very happy to follow the
communication, and I was very pleased to see
my opinion.
I can't remember exactly when it happened. it
seemed to surface into my consciousness over a
period of time. at first it was a curiosity. I
had heard about guys who were attracted to
boys. I don't like to be judgmental so I
investigated the subject. Out of curiosity I
began to look at pictures of boys on the
internet. I noticed an undercurrent within
myself that seemed to be very attracted to
young boys. It was not hard or difficult to
feel an attraction to them because they are
obviously beautiful at that age. I learned
that if my mind were opened to it my body
would soon follow. I was surprised I had never
realized how attractive boys were before. It
was easy to want to look at, think of and
appreciate their beauty more and more.
Very quickly I began to feel overwhelmed with
an undeniable emotional and physical yearning
for the pleasure serenity and joy the intimacy
a relationship with boys would give me and
them too. There didn't seem to be anything
morally wrong with it because my attraction to
boys was not founded on wanting to harm them
in any way. There just didn't seem to be
anything wrong with boylove based on the
realization that loving another person in
spite of their age or physical maturity was
not malicious or malevolent. I could
understand how other men could fall in love
with boys. no man would want to do that for
harmful or abusive reasons. Obviously it would
be absurd to want to harm the object of my
attraction and desire for love and tenderness
that I felt for them. Their physical beauty
produced an irresistible attraction anyone
would feel for someone they loved. It was a
revelation for me that I could love another
human being regardless of their age or
physical maturity and experience that so
profoundly that it gave my life a wonderful
new meaning and hope for the future. I began
to look more closely at the boys around me, on
the internet and knew and I had to accept I
was now a boy lover.
Instead of judging myself or feeling guilty
and ashamed it opened up the potential for
expressing a deep love within myself that I
had never known before. I felt both grateful
and blessed that this gift of being a boylover
had come into my life. Yes, I was afraid at
first; confused, and a bit frightened. I knew
the attraction within me was something that
our culture and society did not approve of and
condemned harshly. I certainly did not want to
break the taboo of such a strong cultural
sentiment against the love of boys. This is
something that I could get in a lot of trouble
for. As you know in our society your
reputation can be destroyed for an attraction
like this, as they like to say, "the love that
dare not speak its name". Like anything else
forbidden in our society I felt it expedient
to repress my yearnings and feelings. I
blocked it out of my mind because of fear. Who
wants to love another human being in a way
that all of society vehemently condemns? I
felt self-conscious, afraid, and alone. I
didn't know any other boy lovers. I did meet a
few but they did not feel comfortable
discussing the subject; maybe because of fear
and shame? I couldn't even admit to myself I
was one of them.
What triggered and renewed the boy love I
repressed was the mainstream media reporting
on the "drag kid" phenomenon. At that point I
knew my self-denial about boy love was
impossible to maintain. The pictures of the
boys the media provided produced such a
powerful attraction there was no doubt I was a
boylover. Not only did I experience my boylove
immediately when I saw the drag kids I also
felt a sense of pride. These feminine boys
gave me such joy aesthetically physically and
emotionally that there was no possibility of
ignoring my feelings for them. I wasn't about
to go around broadcasting my preference for
boys to everyone I met in public, but it was
beyond doubt my feelings for them. It simply
just made me happy. I've been lucky. I've had
a wife and a girlfriend that I was able to
discuss my boylover issues with. If anything
having an opportunity to be honest about my
feelings and physical attractions has enhanced
and improved my relationships with the women
in my life. There have been no negative
consequences in that respect.
It's not something that I want to discuss
publicly but it is a subject and a part of our
culture I believe is so widespread among us
that eventually it will be discussed more
openly. I can't say it will ever be tolerated
in a way that other preferences are but I
think society will come around to
understanding us in a way that it has not
before because other previously marginalized
groups are now accepted. Maybe, eventually, in
some way, boylovers will be too. It feels good
just to say it. I am a boylover and I'm proud
of myself. It's opened up a whole new world
for me. it's given me hope and renewed vigor
for living. I've learned about an entire new
horizon of love I never realized was out
there. And yes, I still feel grateful and I
feel blessed.
By Anonymous (part II)
My inner being and the choices I make are not
under my control considering who I'm attracted
to, the love I feel for them, and my physical
desires. I am perfectly adjusted to and
morally accommodated to my attraction to young
boys. I realize the world outside of me at any
moment could destroy me socially, legally,
financially, and physically, if they choose
--- because of who and what I love; young
boys.
I have my own inner, mental, emotional, and
spiritual world. We all do in one form or
another. The reality of that world for me is
an attraction to young boys. It's more than
just an attraction. There are days I find
myself in a state of melancholy and despair
crying for the boy I love. I experience a
state of ecstasy for his beauty, charisma, and
seductive mystique. It is a profound source of
joy and happiness such a delightful creature
exists, renewing my life with all his manifold
treasures of incandescent color, shadow,
shading, and glitter drawn by his delicately
painted nails.
I find myself pining away for him, even
crying out loud to myself, saying his name
over and over again, as anyone would for
someone they love. His name is a mantra that
strengthens me. It feels good to say his name,
as if it brings him closer to me. In my love
for him I feel him within me, exploring our
desires, uninhibited, unashamed to share the
love we feel, holding, touching, grasping,
feeling the pulse of life physically and
spiritually that brings us ever higher to the
heaven our desires will only know together as
one. I embrace him physically, mentally
emotionally, and spiritually. I will cry out
loud, singing his name- "Jack ,Jack, Jack!...
what have you done to me? You're so beautiful!
You've captivated me and I feel helpless!" I
realize society, culture, the legal system,
the taboo surrounding this love and affection
I feel for you, discourages me in every way
from expressing the deep love within me for
the beautiful being you are".
The society I live in does not want me to
feel this way for you and I'm deeply troubled
by the fact that I do. Sometimes I panic when
I search within myself the depths of the love
I feel for you and I understand it cannot be
erased or changed. It pains me to say on a bad
day when I'm afraid for the love I feel for
you, I wish my feelings for you were not
happening. If I could make them stop I would
for the sake of convenience. It would be so
much easier for me to get along to go along in
a culture that forbids me loving you so much.
I gaze with longing and deep yearning at your
beautiful photographs, Jack. I talk to you out
loud, Jack. I wistfully plead with you,
desperation tightening my vocal cords, crying
out meekly, that you stop being so beautiful,
Jack. I wish you would stop making me love
you. Please? Sometimes I resign myself to a
complacent shrug and passively/aggressively
blame you for tempting me into experiencing
sensations and attractions I should never
experience.
Because you are so beautiful Jack, you've
become for me a romantic ideal I never want to
live without. My love for the beauty you
exhibit so perfectly has made me beautiful
with love. My life would have no purpose if I
did not love you. It would have no meaning. It
wouldn't be worth living. I celebrate my love
for you in all its manifestations,
splendiferous rainbow eyelids batting fulsome
lashes, cosmetic sculptures powdering your
soft skin canvas, pink rouge visions of your
smooth cheeks quicken my heart and captivate
my soul. Your glittery child spirit sparkling
within me never leaves me alone. So The love I
feel for you frightens me. We live in a
society that harshly discourages the warmth of
the profound love I feel for you that so
enraptures me. My lonely darkness is filled
with your love's light whenever I see you,
Jack. I'm inoculated against abandonment
knowing you're always with me in my heart. If
I close my eyes and I allow myself to love you
unimpeded by the obstacles of fear others have
placed before me, my love for you is infinite
with abundant gifts your beauty is able to
dispense to all who gaze upon you. And it is
because of this generosity your beauty
displays that I feel so in love with you. It's
a gift you freely give to everyone simply
because you love yourself enough to let others
see how beautiful you are. Any soul possessed
of enough natural empathy to love will be
grateful that you designed yourself so
beautifully for all of us. We feel blessed by
your physical and spiritual gift of artistic
creativity which makes you so unique. I'm sure
more than just this lonely old man has fallen
hopelessly in love with you. That's why you're
so famous.
What is so beautiful in Jack and has been
made so joyful within me is also the occasion
for brutal punishment. As beautiful as Jack
may be to everyone who is a boylover there is
an opposing force of surplus fear that seeks
to condemn us to an outer darkness
extinguishing this love's light. This darkness
that condemns us is born out of an irrational
superstition that the love I feel for this one
boy is nothing but depraved, perverse,
degenerate, instincts, fueling some mythical
monstrous predator devoid of mercy or
compassion for those we love, lusting with
violence to inflict pain. These are the
medieval prejudices of ignorance and bear
absolutely no resemblance to the tenderness
compassion and love's most basic impulse to
protect and nurture those for whom we love so
deeply. This is the injustice of a false
accusation and it is an absurd assumption and
can be easily disproven.
Why would I harm someone for whom my love
expresses itself so deeply? What purpose would
there be in physically assaulting or
psychologically traumatizing the being of
someone who gives strength meaning and purpose
to my own existence? The gift of beauty Jack
gives to the world I return with immense
gratitude. If this boy I love named Jack were
injured in any way it would be more harmful to
me as the love I feel for him is built upon
what his existence manifests for all of us;
youth, beauty, intelligence, artistic
creativity, and the liberty these qualities
enable him to experience with such
exhilaration. He rewards us all with his
genius and accomplishments. It would be for us
all the most terrible loss and a grievous
wound in the soul of a world that should
treasure its most beautiful and creative
talents and want them to fulfill the
expectations of their great potential, with a
long, healthy and prosperous life, a loving
family, friends, and admirers who forever hope
and pray for him. A great beauty like Jack
would be a benefit for eternity, for people's
yet to come, who seek to appreciate and learn
from the artistic achievements transmitted
from our age to benefit with its inspiration
future generations. Our love for Jack is a
responsibility that he should be in no wise
hurt but nurtured, encouraged, and surrounded
with other souls who love him. None of us
would profit by losing his gifts prematurely.
Our love for Jack requires Jack always be here
with us, so we may return with love the beauty
and love he has always given us.
Yes... there's always some sick, diseased,
random individual out of the flotsam of
humanity that may for some inconceivable
reason or purpose cause harm to Jack. Life is
filled with many threats for all of us. We are
mortal beings and we are always injured more
or less by accident or some unforeseen
catastrophe. If the responsibility were
conferred on me I would be there for Jack, to
let him know that I love him the way that I
do, to protect him, to keep him safe. I would
do all in my power to prevent any instance of
pain that may befall him. I love his boyhood
and the unparalleled beauty it exhibits. I'm a
boy lover, not a hater. I would hug Jack and I
would kiss him on the cheek, and let him know
it is because his life is just as important if
not more important than mine and I want him to
continue living it with happiness, joy, and
fulfillment. My love and my affection for Jack
would always be there to edify him if it were
legal and acceptable.
This love and affection would be in quantity
and quality no different than any family
member or relative would dispense. Such
displays of physical and spiritual affection
are a natural human process of development and
growth. Like any living creature we engage in
expressions of love because it maintains our
species and allows us to evolve into something
greater. Misconstruing a man's love for the
beauty, talent, education and success, any
boys productive interests might realize, as
sexual abuse or rape, says more about the
toxic people hurling such slanders than it
does about a strong, virile man who desires
only the best for the boy he loves so deeply.
Yes, I like anyone else realize there are
some very evil, very dangerous people out
there. I can assure you I'm not one of them.
My intentions for the boy that I love are not
evil and are in no way dangerous. The love
that I feel for him is because of who and what
he is and the unique phenomenon every boy
represents. It's nothing that I would ever
seek to harm or destroy I promise you that. It
is this boy's life that keeps this man living.
Every boy's innocence is his most precious
gift. Maintaining that boylovers somehow plot
to befoul that innocence and violate it by
some bizarre act of sadistic pederasty is
nothing else but the lurid fantasies of the
accusers themselves, vain imaginings of
poisonous souls, opportunists who seek to
spread the contagion of fear and paranoia and
gain positions of power for themselves,
exploiting the unraveled moral fabric of a
system they themselves have torn to shreds,
simply to gain a momentary advantage and
profit from the misery of the victims they
destroyed.
We're boylovers-not haters. It is their
so-called protectors who have done more harm
to boys. With so much mistrust and enmity, men
who love boys more passionately than other
men, are no longer there to be their mentors,
to be there teachers, to be the protectors all
men should be for every boy, so they may grow
safe in the knowledge the beauty within
themselves may be freely given, the same way
Jack has given to all men blessed by what they
have received; a beautiful boy to love.
Hi, I'm about 9 months from a bachelors in
Human Development, I study trauma, and my
expertise is with people aged 0 -> 27, with
an emphasis on child-adult sex. Take what I
say with a grain of salt, but also that I
believe that there should be evidence prior to
denouncing such a large group of people; as we
have seen prior to political enemies and
enemies of culture. (Socialist movements, LGBT
movements all have an identical history as
Nambla & MAP) In the scientific community,
research starts at a certain point that is
beyond conversation, it doesn't start at the
beginning, or the middle, the research in this
field all starts with a conclusion, that
pedophilia is bad.
What comes off strange to me is that there is
no real conclusive research to prove this, in
the same way that there was no research to
prove that homophilia was a mental disease.
The conclusive research that I have been able
to find is that, well, children who have
encountered negative sexual experiences have
gained negative development from this
behavior. Then the question is, is this
normal? Do all people feel bad about rape? I
feel like such an idiot for even asking that
question to somebody, a real legitimate human
being that breaths in and out using their
lungs. Yes, rape feels bad. But what about
circumstances that aren't rape? So an adult
and a child have consensual sex, and you make
that a rape regardless of consent, love and
compassion; at that point, are you the sex
offender? Is it a sex offense to arrest a
homosexual for having anal sex with another
man, answer both questions with the same
answer.
So if it isn't an issue of morality, is it an
issue of biology? I can't say so, no, I don't
believe there is scientific evidence on any
database that I've scoured; to ultimately
prove this. You can say, children are
undeveloped, therefore they can't have sex.
You can say that. You can say that about
school too. They are underdeveloped, therefore
wait until school. But that doesn't make sense
in any category. We know for a fact to start
kids off early, but not too early for school.
Don't push them, they will come along with
assistance when it's needed. School is
necessary, because it teaches children how to
get along with others, components necessary to
life, components necessary to succeed on a
level that ultimately ends their life in
happiness, and satisfaction. But why doesn't
this logic exist for pedophilia? Why does sex
exist beyond procreation? If children aren't
having sex early in their lives, what is that
telling them? We are looking at this in such a
blunt, dense, and caveman like way, that we're
blinded even on a scientific level; and what's
worse than this is that research is blocked,
and prevented, because it's suddenly
unethical, or immoral to do research in that
field. It is unlikely, in my lifetime, however
young I might be, that I will be sponsored in
the same way, in the same format as other
researchers; to produce information for the
scientific community.
The point I made above is that, you're not
supposed to wait until somebody is already
developed, to then begin developing them.
Excuse my language, but, why in the fuck would
you think that would work sexually and
socially if it doesn't work with any credible
research we've established for Human
Development & Education?
If you're a parent, do you have the autonomy
and ability to protect your children, guide
them, set rules, be there for them? No? Then
put your kids up for adoption, and take care
of yourself. How can you possibly take care of
a dog, a cat, let alone another human being if
you can't even do any of those things?
Did you answer yes to the question above?
Then mind your own business, and stop trying
to control other people's children / adults.
If you're going to make an accusation, it
isn't the job of an entire population to
dedicate their lives, and several generations
to prove you wrong like the people before you
had been proven wrong. I don't want anybody
deciding how my future daughter, or my future
son is using their body for their own
development; other than myself to start, and
eventually their own decision later in their
lives. If they want to have sex with an older
guy or girl that wants to spend time with
them, help them with homework, be another
family member for them; who is anybody to tell
me why I can't let that happen? If they're
enjoying it, and their friend is enjoying it,
why in the hell would I denounce it?
I am wondering if NAMBLA is still functioning
as a group or site. I see that over a while
there's not a lot of new content, however I
understand that a website rich with updated
content tends to draw people in.
As in need as NAMBLA may be I imagine dealing
with a segments of our current culture, at
times could be very defeating, and being
low-key is survivable.
Any how, if you're still functional I'd be
interested in hearing back.
Thanks.
Our response:
We are indeed functioning! Our Web site stays
fairly current and makes available facts that
counter the actual "fake news" that even
otherwise respectable media spread. We may
trust established media with most news, but
when it comes to sexuality, the media
collectively bury their heads in the sand.
To supplement our Web site, we also publish
an email newsletter which you are welcome to
subscribe to by emailing info@nambla.org
We also have a letters section and because
you bring up a good point we expect that your
letter will appear there. Other features too
are in the works. Stay tuned!
Thank you for the newsletter. A truly
enlightening article. *
Being once myself a therapist, it was the
confusion of attempting to bring about the
point that boy love/pedophilic emotions and
the action of; was not only morally/legally
wrong but mentally and physically wrong. After
group or one to one sessions, I walked away
knowing I agreed with my patients.
What these men said made sense to me and
that confused me greatly. As I researched and
spoke with colleagues on how to address what
made sense to me, it brought me great
ostracization and in time suspicion, but
privately I enjoyed our sessions more and more
and found myself wanting to explore and
embrace their views openly. I would not, could
not dare. I did not believe what my response
had to be, and this brought about a series of
many questions I was forced to ask myself:
because I genuinely cared about these men and
their belief system. It was heart wrenching to
respond to these men with what I knew were
lies and still believe that I was a therapist
who was doing the right thing. Healing? I was
doing harm and not healing anybody; including
myself. This had to stop!
The first thing I had to do was to re-examine
what I too had been told was molestation I
"suffered" through and secondly to adjust the
therapy I was dispensing.
I took a sabbatical and spent several weeks
alone in my cabin by a lake and read, thought,
canoed, fished and hiked and thought some
more. I re-adjusted my whole therapeutic moral
stance and in turn, the milieu of my entire
approach to treating what I now knew was a
true, and very real "sexual orientation".
Thanks for listening, Joe.
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"...brains are not yet developed enough to
make sound judgments" - 3 things -
1.) The AoC is 16 to 18 yet the brain isn't
"fully developed" until the age of 25. So now
suddenly about 100% of the population would be
what? A Pedophile?
2.) If you're using your brain, you aren't
doing it correctly *wink*.
3) Why would Mother Nature, or God (which
ever you choose to believe) make us sexually
mature enough at only 9 to 13, and why are we
at our most attractive (ability to attract
others) at a peak of only 14? In fact, a study
showed that an 11-year-old is seen as
attractive more often than a 25-year-old (when
the brain is fully dev) and over.
Ref: Study by Kent State University, Behavior
Therapy 26, 681-694, 1995: "Sexual Arousal and
Arousability to Pedophilic Stimuli of Normal
Men",
Shawn
[Editor's note: Though we agree that there
are a lot of inconsistencies in society's
approach to sexuality, we did not quite
understand point 1)]
You guys rock. And you've done awesome stuff.
But come on, just set an age of consent at
adolescence. Nobody is going to get down with
the freedom to date 1 year olds. And the name
"man boy love", it sounds too weird. Make the
age of adulthood 13. Make teenagers adults. No
"man boy love".
I love you guys, you're awesome. But you can
make soooo much more of a difference if you be
more reasonable.
Our response:
Hi [anonymous],
Thank you for your words of support.
Believe me, no one is talking about dating
young kids. Our enemies love to twist things
their way, and many of us buy into this. Have
you ever heard of the Stockholm syndrome?
Our position on human sexuality is solidly
supported by science, but science does not
always get accepted right away.
We adopted our policies many years ago, after
much debate, not to win popularity contests
but to state the truth. Be assured that "No
age of consent" ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT MEAN
"anything goes."
As for "man boy love," the word "gay" was
also once met with derision. In most circles
it no longer is.
We are taking the liberty of separately
sending you our current email newsletter. It
deals with a famous composer closer to the
kind of relationship you imply.
Hello and greetings. I am wondering if it is
possible to sign up without making a donation?
And I am also wondering if there would be any
sort of community at all where we can interact
and I can meet more people who have the same
opinion as me on this?
Our response:
Hi [anonymous],
We will put you on our email newsletter list
that is slated to come out from time to time.
The newsletters and our Web site should, over
time, answer your questions.
Hey! Thanks for the newsletter! On the day
when it arrived, I mentioned -by pure chance!-
the sexuality of Tchaykovski to my friend. We
were talking about homosexuality during
Wilde's era.
Wish you nice holidays!
[The above letter was in response to our
December holiday newsletter examining the
composer's relations with teenagers and the
cause of his suicide. Since the holiday always
includes performances of Tchaikovsky's
"Nutcracker Suite," we felt him to be an
appropriate theme.]
I like the news letter very much. I'd like to
find out more about other famous bl's. I did
watch a bio of Tchaikovsky and it mentioned
nothing of his affairs. I was not surprised.
The great composer seemed to be a ephebophil,
than hebephilia. All very interesting.
Have an awesome and safe Christmas, Joe.
[There is no shortage of famous bls, but the
media ignores that aspect of their
personalities. We will be examining more in
the future.]
Thank you for the short article on
Tchaikovsky. This reminder was a Christmas
gift. As a child, I often went to see The
Nutcracker Suite with my mom. It is amusing
now to think that a family holiday tradition
throughout Europe and America was created by a
'lover of Russian boys'. One of the many
ironies of humanity.
It is also interesting to note that many
great historical figures would be labeled sex
offenders and/or put in prison today due to
perceived sexual deviancies -Benjamin
Franklin, Lewis Carroll, Tchaikovsky, Leonardo
Da Vinci, etc... the list of perverts goes on.
And all of this while at the same time the
porn industry in the United States flourishes
with unrestrained deviancy. Another one of
those human ironies.
Hi,
Compliments on the newsletter! As someone
interested in classical music as well as
history, this one was very interesting to
read.
Looking forward to future newsletters!
By the way, I would like to communicate with
other Free Spirits of NAMBLA, have a postal or
email communication initially, if you know
someone who would be interested in sharing
ideas let me know, and if it is possible to
get in touch it would be of great help.
HAPPY CHRISTMAS AGAIN !!!!
Our response:
Hi,
We do not have a secure forum for
communications between supporters/members.
However, we highly recommend subscribing to
heretictoc.com for intellectual exchanges.
Subscription is free and anonymous.
We will be recommending the site in the next
newsletter. Let us know if you have any
questions.
Thank you very much for this mailing, I find
it really interesting, and of course I will be
happy to receive news about the newsletter and
all your information.
Well, as I see it I need to clarify, it is
totally true that the term "pedophile" is a
contemporary demonized concept, since as we
well know and it has been indicated in this
writing, homosexual relationships used to be
traditionally intergenerational, something
that in the 19th century was even more common,
in Tchaikovsky's time. In Russia, this would
be the beginning of the degradation and
denigration of many homosexual artists and
boy-lovers, and therefore, this would be the
beginning of the decline of homosexual
culture, making artists like our composer
Tchaikovsky suffer from their passions.
From here to the present time we have been
able to see the internal struggle of
segregation and hate against the homosexual
culture in Russia, for me, it is a clear
declaration of intentions of the own political
powers of the bourgeois Russia, that created
the stigma for homosexuals, lovers of the
boys, and people of freedom.
Very happy holidays, best wishes and I hope
to keep in touch, receive information and
engage in interesting dialogues and debates.
Hey thanks for sharing
This is a step in the right direction
Sharing information and dialogue here helps us
bring light to the subject and raise it from
the darkness
I have suspicions the most high level people
at the top of society engage in sexual
activities with minors to some degree.
Would you mind sharing any other known or
suspected cases, either current or historical?
I think it helps us feel less alone.
HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! I appreciate the newsletter
and definitely DO NOT want to be removed from
the list. I agree with everything Nambla
stands for and will send money as a donation
after the 1st of the year. I wish you all a
very festive and Happy Christmas or hannukah,
etc! Please take care and be safe.
Joe Biden has just chosen his running mate,
Kamala Harris, and I am inspired! Joe wants to
make his administration to look like America,
and I could not agree more. Who wouldn’t –
maybe just the few
eat-their-heart-out-hate-everybody
malcontents. With Pamela Harris, Biden hit the
trifecta of constituencies -- women, Asians
and Blacks. But he has missed an important
one…
To this end, I suggest that instead of the
various names that have been suggested, boy
lovers, girl lovers, minor attracted persons
(MAPs) and even "vicious" – I meant "virtuous"
-- pedophiles we proudly call ourselves
“Perverts” with a capital “P”. Now wait, I
know what you’re thinking, but please follow
my argument to its logical conclusion.
Proudly owning a pejorative is not new. Black
young men do it. They call each other the “N”
word all the time. I know, because I hear it
constantly in the college gym. But woe should
a white guy do the same. I am a white guy. You
can be sure that I never do that. But should
we proudly adopt “Pervert” we will be sharing
it with such a large population that there
will be no need to be selfish about who uses
the “P” word.1
I hope you don’t think I am kidding. Perverts
form an immense constituency of which we are
but a small part. Perhaps that constituency is
not yet as large as the Moral Majority but it
is quickly gaining ground. Just look at one
recent president and a current one. Having
your dick sucked, even by someone you were
married to, it would fall under some sort of
act against nature. Wouldn’t it? And
unsolicited grabbing someone’s pussy should
also qualify.
Nixon once said, “When the president does it,
that means it is not illegal." So maybe
Clinton and Trump are not perverts. But let’s
not just stop there. We have Supreme Court
Justices on our side. One famously questioned
a woman he supervised as to the provenance of
a coke can with a genital hair on it and
another sexually assaulted a fellow teenager.
Mere allegations, you say? I believe the
accusing women! Why shouldn’t I? We do all
believe the children who never, never lie.
Accomplished women deserve no less.
That only makes four perverts you tell me,
but wait! We have only begun to scratch the
surface. Let’s forget for a moment all the
politicians claiming to need to spend more
time with their families or repentant
megachurch preachers.
I looked up “common human perversions” on
Google. Of course, I then immediately deleted
my searches. No one wants anyone to think that
he is into these things. You wouldn’t believe
what came up. There were pictures too! I am
too embarrassed to describe them. But sites I
checked and that had real people with real
PhDs explaining it to me left me assured that
barring perhaps Mother Theresa or the Pope but
certainly barring Jesus, just about everyone
shared a cherished perversion.
So, even if Joe Biden and Pamela Harris want
an administration that looks like America, I
still have not made up my mind on who to vote
for. It would be hard to believe that
Republicans do not also look like America, at
least when it comes to perversions.
P.S. If you are still not convinced that
owning a pejorative is a genius move, think of
the Christian Cross. Before its adoption, it
symbolized for Romans the complete and utter
destruction of a human being with his remains
to be food for carrion animals. I say, the
worse the pejorative the better the symbol!
[Note from Eric: I am not inclined to
resurrect or repurpose the term, "pervert," to
mean something positive. I'm not at all sold
on that concept. For one thing, it doesn't
directly challenge the hatred that that term
is loaded with and stupid people will think
that we accept the worst connotations with
which it is associated. I really think we
should stick with "boylover." It is the
purest, most honest, distillation of the
reason for our movement.]
[Reply]
Hi Eric,
I kind of liked Pervert with a capital P, but
I respect that you do not.
R.
